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 Post subject: Old PR shrouds ref?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:42 pm 

Location: London
Hello everybody.
I've just received my Bapty PR black and white photo
(too sad we don't have access to the other views), and
it made me remember an other old photo of the
"plastiline" sculpt of the shrouds on the PR base.
Anybody remember the source?
Was it on the old forum or in a magazine?
I had a look around and did not find anything.
Any idea?

Thanks

Stephane


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:30 pm 
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Plastiline? Never heard of that?

Do you have any more info?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:06 am 

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I know for sure that the art department
did sculpt the shrouds in plastiline on a top of
a resin copy (or the real one) of Bapty's
PR prototype. I don't know if the sculpt have been
casted to be used as a visual ref for the aluminium
version or even as a blocking guide but I just
remember seing a photo of this sculpture
with a guy behind.
Maybe Harry or Willie will remember it.
It was a small image for whay I remember.
I'm obviously looking for a high resolution version of it
if the source photo is availlable offcourse. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:21 am 
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Aah, you mean Plasticine, the modelling clay. :)

Not seen that pic on here. Can't recall seeing it in the extras on the DVDs/Blu-rays either. :?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:24 am 
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Glad you like your Bapty photo.

I've never seen the plasticine image.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:39 am 

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Like my Bapty photo???
I love it. Can't stop looking at it. ;)
What happened to the other views by the way?
Don't tell me guys that I dreamed of this
"plasticine" sculpture photo....

Stephane
PS: plastiline and plasticine are both the same thing. :)
Just a trademark difference.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:37 am 
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Hmm, yeah, can't recall that image either...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:28 am 
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plastiline and plasticine are not the same thing , Plastiline is oil based , Plasticine is petroleum jelly based , and Plastiline is better to work with.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:28 am 
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There were three other Bapty photos, one of the opposite side, one looking at the underside of the grenade launcher and another from the front. Those have never been reproduced.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:45 am 

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aliensachive:
I'm aware of the other views of the Bapty prototype photos. Now having the first one (thanks to you) I dream of the others to complete the set. :)
Have they been lost? Sold to someone? Is there a way to have access to them again? I'm sure many asked before me but I had to ask. ;)

Glenn:
As I've said, they are the same thing. Oil based clay.
Name differences are really trademaks. And of course some modifications in formula to improve (or not) quality and finesse. Some with sulfur and some without wich is important to know for silicone molding.
Plastilene (French formula by Claude Chavant)
Plasticine (UK formula by William Harbutt)
plastilin (German formula by Franz Kolb)
plastilina (roma or prima from italy)
And that is just for the artists vesrsions with similar names. A lot more can be found from big chemical companies used in industry.

Willie:
So I did not create that photo just in my mind. It does exist... :)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:28 pm 
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I have a vague memory that the Plastilene sculpt may have had something to do with Alien War, I seem to remember seeing a photo of it in the Alien War London workshop.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:51 pm 

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Harry:
Arrrggh... I had all my hopes on you and Willie. :)
I'm still working (when my job gives me the occasion) on how to build my formed aluminium sheet PR shrouds and I wanted to compare the sculpt with the final shrouds.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:13 pm 

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is this the other view ?
u will have to enlarge it tho


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Last edited by philip7 on Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:24 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:21 pm 
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maxhebus wrote:
Glenn:
As I've said, they are the same thing. Oil based clay.



Not to get in a long a pointless argument here but if like me you have sculpted in both , then you will see a big difference between Plastilline, ( Chavant.) and Plasticine , also both react different to heat and cold , which is why most sculptors use Plastilline , rather than Plasticine .

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:04 pm 
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The original owner of them is propworld.nu, he still has the opposite side. The front and bottom photos were sold to a forum member many years ago before I had a chance to scan them.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:41 pm 

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Philip7:
Yep, that's one of them.

Aliensarchive:
Do you think propworld.nu would be interested by offering the forum copies of this right side view.
Is he a friend of you.

Glenn:
as you said, pointless argument... But I know better :wink:

all:
still looking for the PR shrouds sculpt photo.... :D

Stephane


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:46 pm 
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maxhebus wrote:
Philip7:
Yep, that's one of them.


I do have some slightly larger view of that pic, but I want the full-size one!

maxhebus wrote:
Aliensarchive:
Do you think propworld.nu would be interested by offering the forum copies of this right side view.
Is he a friend of you.


I'm IMMENSELY interested! That would be perfect, to have that one in large size as well!


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all:
still looking for the PR shrouds sculpt photo.... :D



Is it this one?
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That's the only one I could think of, it's from Alien War. Looks more like a plastic shroud though...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:48 pm 

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aliensarchive wrote:
The original owner of them is propworld.nu, he still has the opposite side. The front and bottom photos were sold to a forum member many years ago before I had a chance to scan them.


So... if you had scanned them before selling the originals you'd be selling copies? I wonder what the person who bought the originals would think of that.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:30 am 
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As far as I am concerned there is no difference between copying a picture or moulding a prop, if you are unhappy with your purchase you can always ask for a refund.

maxhebus: no I'm not and he probably wouldn't be, wouldn't hurt to ask though.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:33 am 

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b26354:
I agree with you but I think there is still a difference between
having the original and the others just having copies.
It's like art. some people own the original and some companies are
officially selling posters of them.
The perfect situation would be this person offering the copies himself but
we all know it's kind of a pain to organise the printing and send them.
Some people don't want to go through that.
So maybe he would not mind to pass those troubles
officialy to someone else and why not aliensachives so everything would
be re-grouped in the same place. :)

aliensarchive:
As you've been in contact with him in the past,
would you mind to contact him?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:38 am 
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I've tried to buy it, no luck yet.


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