But you do carry 'em..

The caseless rounds / ammo displays were something I was thinking of. I know we don't do em currently but still....
No point in us painting ourself in a corner yet...

Interesting points all round guys.

As Fal mentioned I think public liability insurance would be something you at least need to look into. You don’t know the cost is prohibitive until you get a quote. Insurance would not only demonstrate that the UKCM is a professional organisation but would show perspective organisers that side of thing had been considered.

Once the constitution is finalised/written, have a look here:

http://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/insuran ... liability/

Employers/Public Liability Insurance can be from as little as £50 per annum.

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Thanks for the info PVB but the UKCM wouldn't be classed as an employer of course. I think we'd have to go for personal / individual public liability insurance, which is much more expensive in my experience.

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Found this firm, which seem to specialise in our field (even as far as having a Vader on the opening page)

http://www.re-enactorguard.co.uk/

They don't do groups, claiming that the insurance for that is usually sorted on an event by event basis.

But to give an idea of premiums, I put in for £1,000 worth of kit, including cover in the car, and a public liability insurance of a million (lowest amount), and the quoted premium came through at £50 per annum.

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Thread discussing PLI for WWII re-enacting group. I imagine they have a lot of fun with regards to blank-firers and all that -

http://wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29027

That's a very good deal! I wonder what the small-print is like though.

"Ah yes Sir, as described in section 1000 of the contract, sub-section 350, you've opted for the no pay out policy".

Harry

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The Public Liability insurance for our re-enactment group http://www.queensrangers.co.uk

I believe is about £300 / £350 a year, which isn't bad considering we handle loose black powder..........and we are all bonkers!

Andy

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Membership with our re-enactment group including PLI works out to £37.50 this year, to assist bench marking.

I was just rereading some of the points made in this thread. One thing to keep in mind is that the whole essence of the group is that it’s meant to be fun. I certainly appreciate that there is a need for regulations as all too frequently what you or me might conclude is ‘common sense’ is often not so common.

Again good points all round but let’s not get too tied up in red tape and regulations that the fun element is lost.

So say we all!

Always wanted to say that!

Good call Kev.

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As a newbie observer and a security officer by trade one thing ive discovered is team work, everyone watches out for each other. If someone is getting close to the edge, tell them politely in a quiet QT manner.

That's how we deal things on the site where i work, we deal with any security problems within the team, never get the client involved unless you absolutely have to. It makes you look like incompetent knobs if you go to the client over trivial things that can be easily solved within the team.

If the time comes to tell people to get lost (thats goes for anyone being a niucance) the same professional manner is needed, never sink to the losers level. If they continue to be a nuisance, you then can call in the Client and tell them, they will decide what to do next. Usually that means politely telling the unwanted person to get lost again politely with burly security officers present as witnesses.

You have to do this in stages, you cant just grab someone up and chuck them out the area, thats assault, let security handle it.

One other thing if you get accosted by anyone physically, you can only use the equal amount of force used on you to get away. If you smack someone over the head with the Pulse Rifle thats assault with a deadly weapon. And remember two words: Reasonable Force, if a barney breaks out and Coppus Billus comes flying around: scream Reasonable Force all the way.

I doubt you will ever encounter idiots like that but forewarned is forearmed.

Heya,

Just wanted to offer a couple of small points for consideration on this.


1/. Fingers Off Triggers - I don't know how widespread this issue is, but I have noticed a fair few people (both in photos and at a Drop myself) walking around with their fingers actually on the triggers of their weapons.

This is a pet hate of most people who've been taught to use weapons properly, myself included. Colonial Marines aside, there will be others at Drops who feel the same way and it's just one of those things that you don't do.

I would suggest that a rule is; Fingers off triggers, always.
The ONLY exception being when enacting or filming an action sequence.

Instead, trigger fingers should be kept straight and rested along the outside of the trigger guard, or the hand shifted lower on the grip so fingers are kept altogether clear of the trigger.
The advantages of this method is not only a professional approach, but also an element of military authenticity. If you like, it could even be a point to make if/when you let members of the public handle your Pulse Rifle.


2/. Don't stand weapons up - I realised this one in a recent thread about Pulse Rifle stock issues. The test of a well-constructed PR seems to be standing it on it's butt and leaning it against the wall, where if the weight is supported by the stock then it works.

This is fine to test in your own home, but again it's one of those things you don't do with a firearm. I'm sure people have been in situations where such things have happened, but regulation-wise, it's a big no-no.

I'd suggest weapons always be laid down on a table or held in a stable display stand, when you're not carrying them. It stops them from accidentally falling and breaking as well as keeping them out the way of moving people.


OK, I'll shut up now

As far as I'm concerned, the only UKCM rules should be those that are put in place to ensure public safety and security. The UKCM rules should be read in combination with common sense and the laws of the UK (or whichever country we are in) to act as a guide to behaviour.

Wrt standing up your PR (as with allowing members of the public to hold PRs ...); common sense prevails - If you stand it up or give it to someone to hold and it is damaged, it is your problem.

The UKCM is deliberately non-prescriptive - it is part of the UKCM's raison d'etre. So, (as far as I'm concerned), the "constitution" shouldn't contain rules that define how you should hold your Pulse Rifle, or that Creatures should never remove their heads.

Such rules may make the UKCM a "better" costuming group, but that was never the intention - the only thing that counts is having fun and meeting up with friends.

Fair enough. Just a couple of thoughts.
Probably comes across as a lot more anal than I meant it as

Actually, I don't think it'd do any harm to include "Please keep your finger off the trigger" alongside the "remove batteries/BBs" lines...
It IS good practise, and cops etc might well get jumpy if they see fingers in trigger guards...

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If we carried real (or even airsoft guns that are in a condition to be able to fire) then I would make it a rule. However, we do not under any circumstances.

I don't deny it's a great idea not to keep your finger on the trigger, and will point that out to people when I see it. And, everyone is encouraged to do the same. However, this will not be a written rule or part of a "constitution".

No bother

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